INTERVIEWEE:· · · · -- the death of Seth Rich. ·2· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Uh-huh. ·3· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · -- and Rod Rosenstein was ·4· witting in this -- in this operation as well, I believe. ·5· Correct? ·6· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Yes.· (Inaudible) (Coughs, ·7· drinks water) Okay.· Sorry.· It was for their reasons, for ·8· illegal reasons, but also to cover himself.· When Seth Rich ·9· had gone in the first time, I just don't have much 10· information on it other than what I was told, but not what I 11· had seen personally. 12· · · · · · His first contact with WikiLeaks, I just don't 13· know.· I do know that when he went to him the second time and 14· came back, WikiLeaks had directed him on how to get further 15· information, and they wanted specific things, "Look here, 16· look here, here," because when he went in for the break-in he 17· grabbed a lot of information, just downloaded everything he 18· could that exposed a lot.· They were worried about the 19· exposure. 20· · · · · · The DNC -- Hillary and Bowser, Abrams -- not Abrams 21· -- excuse me -- Bowser and Brazile -- excuse me -- they were 22· all very worried about it, but Rod was personally worried 23· about it as well because he had been authoring stuff to 24· affect Hillary Clinton, and he didn't want that to come out 25· because he would be out of it, he would be done, he would not ·1· be appointed to anything, and he had a personal interest in ·2· that one. ·3· · · · · · So, when it got dumped in his lap to handle the ·4· problem, he hired -- tapped people who he'd already worked ·5· with for years who were dirty and he controlled. ·6· · · · · · They owed their continued federal careers to him. ·7· He had saved them before, looked over things, allowed them to ·8· continue their career.· And he (inaudible) people all around ·9· him in one small circle in Baltimore. 10· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · So, was it intended to be an 11· assassination of Seth Rich or was it more intended to be a 12· robbery, or do you know? 13· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Intended to be a robbery, rough 14· him up.· All they wanted was the thumb drive that he 15· routinely carried on him, the information he was going to 16· pass to WikiLeaks, what he had uncovered, and the more 17· focused information that WikiLeaks had requested. 18· · · · · · That's what they wanted.· He did not leave it at 19· home.· He always carried it because he had people living with 20· him.· And, again, Rod was very upset that this could expose 21· everything and wreck his plans.· He would've been done. 22· · · · · · It was a fairly tenuous relationship, you know, him 23· being a Republican and things, but he had proved himself to 24· be really dirty like they were and willing to give access to 25· everything he was doing for them. ·1· · · · · · So, he had to recover it, and they didn't care -- ·2· he did not care how it was done except for it was supposed to ·3· be robbed.· They had to recover it, did not care.· But Rod ·4· put -- the additional thing on it was "Get it, no matter ·5· how." ·6· · · · · · He hired -- tapped his agent friend from DEA who he ·7· had covered for many, many times -- and he's dirty -- in ·8· Baltimore and other places throughout Maryland and then put ·9· him in charge of it.· He recruited someone else, and then 10· they went down -- and this particular DEA agent is the gang 11· specialist for the DEA and specializes further in MS-13. 12· · · · · · He was the one who went outside the local people 13· and hired -- (inaudible) find the two MS-13 people down south 14· and brought them up -- or met them, actually.· They came up 15· and met him and he brought them into the city.· And things 16· went poorly beyond that. 17· · · · · · They were supposed to rob him.· Then the two guys 18· went ahead and killed him -- shot him, he died later.· They 19· recovered the thumb drive, which was then switched for one 20· that Rod had provided, the one that Shaun had loaded up for 21· him previously. 22· · · · · · So, he did -- he was able to recover, keep his 23· involvement in altering emails, breaking into Hillary 24· Clinton's server, things like that, and he kept -- 25· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · (Interposing) So, they switched ·1· a thumb drive that was on the body for a thumb drive that Rod ·2· had prepared to be left behind as a -- ·3· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · Right. ·4· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Okay. ·5· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · One that would be convincing·6· but not expose him. ·7· · · · · · INTERVIEWER:· · · · Understood. ·8· · · · · · INTERVIEWEE:· · · · A lot of it was the same ·9· information, but not -- because they knew where they breaches 10· had occurred, so a lot of it was the same thing, just void of 11· anything that would point towards them or Rod specifically. 12· · · · · · And things rapidly went downhill because they 13· couldn't break into it.· It was encrypted.· They got it to a 14· couple different people.· They couldn't get into it and they 15· decided to clean up the mess, and one DEA agent went down the 16· following day, called out, took his wife's car and drove down 17· and killed him, things like that. 18· · · · · · So, it went bad quickly once he died.· It's 19· supposed to be a robbery, and the next thing they hear is -- 20· you know, Donna Brazile and Muriel Bowser, the mayor of D.C., 21· were at the hospital before he was even brought in, and they 22· did have people at the crime scene as well, and they were 23· there to recover it. 24· · · · · · As I said, it was supposed to be a robbery, he was 25· supposed to be, you know, beat up, unconscious, bad shape, ·1· and they wanted to recover the thumb drive.· That’s why they ·2· were there. ·3· · · · · · [END OF RECORDING] ·4· · · · · · [END OF TRANSCRIPT]